This is really worth a listen, Jamie King interviewing, Audrey Tang, Digital Minister of Taiwan:
This might play it here:
https://audio.theabcdn.com/attachments/35230349/how-to-hack-a-democracy-with-audrey-tang-pt-1.mp3?audio_clip_id=7336732&stream_id=4983408&sub=pl3&Expires=1566375292&Signature=PCAVuQZuykgdt9FIu-VfaT6p0ZmLrOuGGbs2PKu~WlnUIxB6YFN5dxggfXHpwbq-VznzGQcaOLE~axEgU4nXg5we~tD0xBT39~8AyF5o5hN1htt93jWXxFILjqytd-2ClmfeeMHLj2BO4ILlOkkxfEVAcwKePGWeAZbRR4FR81w_&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIVRAZ4UQUDAT3NHA