CoTech Gathering 2018: Shared Hosting and Infrastructure


#7

I’ve spoken separately with @chris and with Danyl Strype at the Open conf in the summer about this. The idea of developing some sort of cooperative cloud/hosting offer at sufficient scale that could potentially enable some of the larger co-ops, unions, and maybe even some public sector orgs to get on board is attractive, but there are significant hurdles. At the lower end of the scale there’s the option of some sort of common social brand so that customers and prospects are aware that they are looking at a cooperative hosting provider that is part of some sort of alliance or collective.

Moving up the scale to deliver a collectively-owned cloud is another matter, and for my money the approach there is to identify and open a dialogue with half a dozen potential clients that might be willing to buy in the right conditions, work with them to understand what their issues are, and get them to fund the project on the basis that when they become customers they’ll get their investment back with a return (maybe in terms of lower fees).

The big cloud providers appear to be making good profits so it may well be possible to be competitive in the space, despite the perceived high cost of entry, by using cooperative approaches.


#8

I’d also join on this! Thanks for the initiative @shaun.

I’ve just dipped into the librehosters meeting (along with @kate ) meetup and we had a VOIP call with Chatons.org who are related to Framasoft. So a lot of common themes and motivations floating around right now.

Looks like it. Let’s make sure we have these at different times since I don’t want to miss this :wink:

This! Anyone coming to this discussion needs to have this in mind if this is to move forward.


#9

Hey, reposting from the other thread. Could you lot let me know when you’d like to host the session please?

Thursday
2-3
3-4
4-5 (this one would need to finish promptly, assuming participants want to be in decisions)

Friday
10-11
11-12
12-1
LUNCH
2-3
3-4
4-5 (again, finish promptly)

Also, I’m gonna be that annoying person who asks you to keep in mind what the OUTCOMES of the session should be :wink:


#10

Heyo, I’d love to avoid conflict with the timing of this and the Ansible session (which should be short enough). I’ve no real idea what times would suit for all but Thursday 3-4 or Friday 3-4 would suit me. cc @chris @nick. On another note it would be cool to not miss the website hack either … timetabling :smile:


#11

Well, the website hack will be running throughout the 2 days, so you’d only be missing the odd hour here and there to come to the sessions you want.

@chris @nick let me know when would suit for your other session.

Polly


#12

Hi @polly, any time should be good for me I think, like @lwm I’m planning to go to the website hack and the Ansible and Shared Hosting and Infrastructure sessions.

By the way, did you see the idea of a international video call, for people to say hello to each other, at some point, over the two days?


#13

Thanks for organising @polly :slight_smile: - I don’t have a very good overview of the timing of all the sessions, I’d like to be able to attend this on shared hosting, the ansible thing, and maybe the cobudget thing (which is rolled into governance I think).

Maybe the work in progress timetable could go on the wiki? (https://wiki.coops.tech/wiki/Wortley_Hall_2018)


#14

Yes indeed. I’ve added the timetable so far to the Wiki page:

https://wiki.coops.tech/wiki/Main_Page#CoTech_Hack_2018

Let me know if you need any amendments.


#15

Thanks Polly for organising!

3-4pm works for me - but see below - and no-one else seems to have a problem with that. However I think we need more than an hour. The following slot is apparently empty, plus I have a telephone call 2pm-2.50pm on Thursday so would be pleased if there is less pressure on the 3pm start.

So, I would like to propose 3pm-4.30pm Thursday

Would that be OK? Or is that just plain awkward?

Shaun


#16

Sorry Polly - missed this

I’m happy to host 2-3 on Thursday - if still free. Let me know.

What I’m proposing really needs a much longer session than 1 hour, so all I can do in an hour is introduce it. If people want to carry on the discussion after the one hour session - will there be a space available to do that?

Otherwise might it be possible to Space4 in the future to hold a longer session at a later date?

Many thanks

Bill


#17

Hi Bill. Wrong thread? I assume you don’t mean Shared Hosting and Infrastructure. Shaun


#18

I have responded over on your thread for your session…CoTech Support for Co-ops & the Co-op Economy

(2-3 is now taken so please let me know a different slot)


#19

Everyone happy with my proposed timing? Polly?


#20

Hey Shaun,

I’ve given you the hour after (i.e. 3-5 on Thursday). Breaking things into half hour slots is just going to confuse me - so I guess that means you’ve got up to 2 hours in the room!!


#21

Wonderful. Thank you.


#22

Hi guys and gals,

Unfortunately I won’t be able to make the gathering, however hopefully I will be able to dial in thanks to @polly
Look forward to hearing what you guys have to say.


#23

We are going to use Nextcloud talk for a video link up of this session that is now due to start at 3:30pm, use this URL to join:

https://office.coops.tech/call/qbauwaan


#24

Did anyone take any notes on the agreed outcome of this session and could they post them to the wiki if they did?

There is interest in this at a global level, a thread on, Coop hosting services to compete with Google/Amazon, has been started on the (private for now, but accounts are being given out and hopefully it will be public one day) ICA Discourse site that has been setup to organise a global Co-operative IT Network.


#25

@shaun do you know if someone took notes? I recall there was a few things we agreed to do following the meeting…

This looks like it really is worth joining — the following has just been posted there and I have asked for some more details…

At gcoop, we have https://nube.coop/, where we provide services, on our own infrastructure with Open Stack.

:grinning:


#26

Yes, someone agreed to take notes. Leo I think?